The police feels no responsibility and no remorse, the guy actually said he lost interest 3 minutes ago. They should have been way more discrete in case of the scenario where he was actually innocent. That line is what separates interesting shows from predictable shows. Simple and thought-provoking. The irony isn’t lost on me that this episode came after the rape allegation one. They didn't state once anything about rape victims as a whole. Her or a partner did something to the kids? Don't get me wrong, being the victim of a false accusation of anything, especially to this extent, is and would be brutal and I do empathise with those people. The sad truth however is that people who already decided that victims/accusers are not trustworthy don't often change their mindset by watching just-any sexual predators get caught and proven. But concluding all the above, I think their concerns are valid, and their "narrative" is not problematic in the bigger picture. I just worry that with the climax the way it is, that will be people's only take away? Some people don't have the empathetic attitude that assault victims need to begin with, and ep 2/3 may just reaffirm their beliefs. In the first case, nobody had committed a crime. This recap of Criminal: United Kingdom season 2, episode 3, âDanielleâ, contains spoilers. Good day to you too. Leave me alone and go find somewhere else to spew your venom. He’s a complicated individual, not to be trusted around children…. IMO, they spent way too much time in the first act trying to villainize her for impersonating a child online, asking her condescendingly "oh, so there's a line?" Sharon Horgan plays vigilante in âDanielleâ, but at what cost? The things she does are okay until a certain point. A black man isn't the most "statistically correct" representation of a criminal. false allegations, but it's wrong to downplay the gravity of true allegations when doing so. Danielle appears regularly in complex criminal matters including fraud, money laundering, robbery, sexual offences and drugs offences, both as a led junior and a junior alone. I didn't see her entrapment behaviour as the issue here necessarily, more the fact that she ruined the life of an innocent man and his family. At best, it's unimaginative and dull to watch. When the odds are already so stacked against them to begin with. Yep, agreed. [–]CancelTheHam 11 points12 points13 points 3 months ago* (7 children). Let's not pretend that works of fiction never show any female criminals, we all know that's demonstrably untrue. They are motivated by emotions, not solid evidence and logic. His colleague who works out of their shared office is who Danielle was talking to, and when her “building the case” became incredibly obvious, he fingered Andrew for the crime. We shouldn't decide which stories can be told and which ones can't. In her path of bringing down one paedophile, she destroyed an innocent man's life (and the other 2 innocent people Tony mentioned had committed suicide), probably psychologically damaged him, and severely injured a child. The “what can happen” refers to this- that her methods can lead to innocent people killing themselves. But then right after the arrest, she switched back into vigilante mode which made it dawn on me that "Oh! And that's exactly what's wrong with this season. Calm down and learn how a civil conversation works. But the fact is, they do not make up the majority, which is why it stands out like a sore thumb when 80% of the criminals in the season are women who all targeted men exclusively. An immense level of talent is required for a show of this format.. to get you hooked, and intrigued.. start to finish. Or just a random noise. The are 3 cases of trial by media, 2 high profile, 1 lesser known. At worst, it's the end result of a harmful subconscious bias. I think you're correct. Whoa. Which brings me to episode 2, which I hated as I thought it was irresponsible. Let's leave it at " the sins of the father are not of the son" AND daughter in this situation, [–]_Lonni_ 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (1 child). Check out recaps of the first season by clicking here, here, and here. [–]Terrible_Vermicelli1 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (3 children). [–]zvone7 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children). Authority’s Hypocrisy between ep2 and ep3? That's not a new thing either, go read some Agatha Christie's books, you might find a new source of "offensive" plots to rage about. [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children). Leads you down one path to make you think that she was justified in outing him, until that revelation at the end that she didn’t have all the facts, the pedophile was impersonating his colleague and she ruined a lot of people’s lives, because she got the wrong person. So, of course there exist many terrible women criminals who ruin lives and belong in prison. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. And instead, they end the Episode 2 ending with a stalemate and leaving it in a gray area. teacher at her daughter’s school fired for having rather unsavory videos of children on his computer. And in this case, it has badly backfired in more ways that one. Thank you, you explained it much more succinctly than I ever could. I'm not sure how they could better portray that aspect of rape allegations without portraying it this way. The fact that Danielle believed a brown envelope with “Pesticide” written on it in felt-tip pen was opened immediately by Scotland Yard is hilarious but also telling of how little she recognizes the potential harm of what she’s doing — in reality, her package was taken to security for three days before it was eventually opened. With Katherine Kelly, Lee Ingleby, Rochenda Sandall, Shubham Saraf. If you want to be treated with respect, then first learn to treat people with respect. How is this any different from what Sara did? © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. 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This cross examination is the reason why many women are afraid to come forward or withdraw allegations. The four series are Criminal: France, Criminal: Germany, Criminal: Spain, and Criminal: UK.The series was devised by its showrunners George Kay and Jim Field Smith, and produced by their company Idiotlamp Productions. This is not conducive to having a safer society: police is awarded for being reckless/less cautious; police resources can be misused or abused as a tool of personal vengeance. But maybe that was the point, and it's something I've done a lot of thinking on since and have very much appreciated yours and everybody's replies :), [–]takemyfeet69 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (1 child). There's zero mystery left in the show: Just assume the woman is evil, and you'll be right most of the time. ... this is UK only. Check out our spoiler-free season review. I only expect it to not be biased. Seeing that this is what the series has become, I won't bother again. It's about coming up with interesting stories through subject matters which are less explored than others. The story of the two sisters in S1 Ep.2 had left an awful aftertaste. Aren't they allowed to just explore a story from the perspective that catches their interest? The real pedo was using his colleague's computer to talk to her, so she accused the wrong person. [–]Tommy_Frosted 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children). Man being questioned turns out to be innocent. That's what I'm suspecting too. You can check out our, Criminal: United Kingdom season 2, episode 3 recap – “Danielle”. These are all reasons why it didn't sit right with me to see an episode about rape that solely showed the accused's point of view. I also agree that there will most definitely be viewers who leave the show with the wrong takeaway. Prejudice? She could have only sent one file to Scotland Yard and let the police break the news and arrest the paedophile, but no; she sent two packages to his work and family, too. [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago* (2 children), I absolutely understand your thoughts. If he had been released just because of a lack of evidence, it would have been far more realistic portrayal, and his protests that he was innocent and that this could ruin his life could still have been thought provoking, i.e. Agree, they arrested him at his work based on the word of the alleged victim. [–]FatPatsThong 21 points22 points23 points 3 months ago (2 children), They just keep bringing in actors who knock it out the park every single time. You ignored this big part of my comment entirely. Yet again, the Evil Woman has ruined an innocent man's life. In fact, the police can sometimes feel pressured by public opinion to close a case quickly/get the conviction the public desires. men are more likely to be raped themselves than accused of rape. It also ignores the fact that victim blaming often makes it seem that it is women's fault if they are dressed provocatively, drunk or out late at night. They could have just told the story and let us decide how right or wrong she was. Don't sacrifice one for the other! How many times have i read/watched/listened to a story which is about sympathizing with rape victims or at least has this component in it's story? (src). I'd be surprised if any of them saw these episodes and went "ah bugger, I guess I won't trust anyone who reports sex crimes from now on then". Especially in Episode 3 I feel like they could've left her in a grey area (yes, she went about it the wrong way but allegedly helped catch 30+ pedophiles), allowing the audience to make their own conclusions and leave more room for discussion. [–]owntheh3at18 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children). We had a pedophile, two cheaters and a murderer in one season alone, but keep telling yourself your narrative of only "women being to blame" and every valid argument against your delusion as being "unrelated". What about her children being removed from her care suddenly inspired this obsession? I wrote this to a fellow commenter and wanted your thoughts. They didnt. After all, the effects of premature judgement on a potentially innocent person can be detrimental. Check out ⦠I know it happens, but quite rarely. CriminalÖ United Kingdom Dans le huis clos d'une salle d'interrogatoire londonienne, l'heure tourne et les enquêteurs doivent faire parler trois suspects, chacun soupçonné d'un crime grave. Give me a break. A cat-and-mouse drama, which focuses on the intense mental conflict between detectives and suspects. I didn't feel the "plot-twist" was repeatable, if anything, the first season was more predictable and boring, this one I consider somewhat fresh and much more engaging. I didn't look for patterns to criticize. With different series for different countries, these shows are like that one 'Brooklyn Nine-Nine' episode with Sterling K Brown ('This is Us') â they are entirely set within the interrogation room [–]Terrible_Vermicelli1 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (5 children). As long as the on-the-fence audience understood this message moving forward, it opens up the opportunity for them to believe that a crime could have been committed even when the accused perpetrator doesn't "look" like one. And all you did in return was insult me and call me a multitude of awful names. To which a police captain responded: "I wish more cops have a voice wondering, what if they are innocent. Doesn't that mean Danielle did get the right person? Criminal season two has now been released in full on Netflix as the series follows four new suspects. Even at that point, they still treated him as subhuman. Made everything distasteful and tendentious. I think making an episode on rape allegations without featuring the alleged victim's point of view at all offers a highly unbalanced narrative. Fake allegations come up all the time. For much better executions of this plot twist, look no further than Criminal Germany. I suppose you're under the impression that as long as you don't sink low enough to use a traditionally bleep-worthy insult, you can be as rude and angry as you want, and everyone will just be okay with it? Other than Episode 3 of Season 1, every single other ones been quite a masterpiece. Seeking answers inside the interview room, investigators question suspects over four confounding cases, including alleged rape, abduction and murder. Because they didn't rehash the same story in the next episode, and then again in the next episode. They then continued to run stories about her life and slandering her even more over it all and by doing so, chipped away at her and made her more and more depressed until she took her own life. To be fair though if he was in fact innocent doesn't that create the exact desired affect of how a person is thought of after a rape allegation even if the evidence slightly sways in the man favour which let's face it, it was just an ambiguous text that made them not pursue further action. [–]musiquescents 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children), [–]redheadednomad 18 points19 points20 points 3 months ago (23 children). That bothered me so much, so hypocritical of them! The script emphasized his race multiple times for no reason. . I used to see everything as black and white; but now, it's all grey to me." Do not include spoilers in post titles. Let's address Episode 3. And we also had a bad father, bad boyfriend, bad husband and bad boss. [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child). No, definitely not okay to beat anyone! Keep believing that anyone who disagrees with you must be a hater. 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